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	<title>Comments on: Racism 101: Obama&#8217;s &#8220;A More Perfect Union&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: lonelypilgrim</title>
		<link>http://perilousrealm.net/2008/03/18/racism-101-obamas-a-more-perfect-union/comment-page-1/#comment-17768</link>
		<dc:creator>lonelypilgrim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 04:16:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris,  

Travis had better be careful then........Lovita can get very jealous of &quot;Ceddi&quot; as she calls him.  Haha.

Important note - If you&#039;ve never watched &quot;The Steve Harvey Show&quot; my attempt at humor is probably lost on you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris,  </p>
<p>Travis had better be careful then&#8230;&#8230;..Lovita can get very jealous of &#8220;Ceddi&#8221; as she calls him.  Haha.</p>
<p>Important note &#8211; If you&#8217;ve never watched &#8220;The Steve Harvey Show&#8221; my attempt at humor is probably lost on you.</p>
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		<title>By: chris Holdridge</title>
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		<dc:creator>chris Holdridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 03:38:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK...I&#039;m gonna lighten the conversation...because I just can&#039;t help it.  Travis, your boyfriend looks like Cedric the Entertainer.  I can&#039;t watch that video without laughing at THAT.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK&#8230;I&#8217;m gonna lighten the conversation&#8230;because I just can&#8217;t help it.  Travis, your boyfriend looks like Cedric the Entertainer.  I can&#8217;t watch that video without laughing at THAT.</p>
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		<title>By: Travis Prinzi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Travis Prinzi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 21:27:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some initial thoughts:

I don&#039;t know who Rev. Manning is, but he&#039;s not my boyfriend.

I completely understand your thoughts about Rev. Wright.  I don&#039;t think there&#039;s really much question that Rev. Wright might consider you or me his enemy, and I don&#039;t think that&#039;s a good thing at all.

I&#039;ve disagreed with something in the majority of sermons I&#039;ve heard over the past few years, probably.  I think to conclude that Obama is anything like Wright, we&#039;d have to assume that Wright does nothing but preach on this theme week after week after week, and it doesn&#039;t seem like that&#039;s true at all.  Given that Obama has consistently denounced the more extreme remarks of Wright, I&#039;m not really nervous about him considering whites his &quot;enemy.&quot;  His spending plans, however...

I don&#039;t think it&#039;s possible to keep politics out of the pulpit.  Religions are not ultimately private belief systems to create comfort through personal piety; that&#039;s a very modern definition of religion that doesn&#039;t fit the majority of the world&#039;s religions at all.  Religions, rather, are visions and descriptions of the way things are, of who we are, of why we&#039;re here, and of how we&#039;re supposed to live.

I think it&#039;s a matter of how one does politics from the pulpit.  I&#039;m more interested in keeping hatred out of the pulpit, which is where both Wright and preacher in the YouTube video fail miserably.

But it&#039;d be impossible for Christians, for example, to entirely keep politics out of the pulpit. because the &quot;Kingdom of God&quot; language used by Jesus is manifestly political, as is the exposition of such themes in St. Paul.  It&#039;s just politics upside down.  Instead of being a grab for power, Jesus preached the need to lay down power, to affect change through suffering love.  Which brings me back to keeping hatred out of the pulpits.  

I don&#039;t usually hear conservatives get mad, or say that it&#039;s &quot;politics&quot; and should be kept out of the pulpit, when the Baptist preacher condemns abortion (which he should do, of course).

Here&#039;s maybe how I&#039;d frame it: politics can&#039;t be avoided from the pulpit, but lining up an entire religion with an entire political party is a Bad Thing.  Political issues can be discussed in a way that doesn&#039;t sound like this: &quot;Here is God&#039;s opinion on this particular issue in U.S. Government, and if you disagree, you&#039;re not a true believer.&quot;  I don&#039;t know if that suffices, and I probably still have a lot more thinking to do about it all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some initial thoughts:</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know who Rev. Manning is, but he&#8217;s not my boyfriend.</p>
<p>I completely understand your thoughts about Rev. Wright.  I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s really much question that Rev. Wright might consider you or me his enemy, and I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s a good thing at all.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve disagreed with something in the majority of sermons I&#8217;ve heard over the past few years, probably.  I think to conclude that Obama is anything like Wright, we&#8217;d have to assume that Wright does nothing but preach on this theme week after week after week, and it doesn&#8217;t seem like that&#8217;s true at all.  Given that Obama has consistently denounced the more extreme remarks of Wright, I&#8217;m not really nervous about him considering whites his &#8220;enemy.&#8221;  His spending plans, however&#8230;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s possible to keep politics out of the pulpit.  Religions are not ultimately private belief systems to create comfort through personal piety; that&#8217;s a very modern definition of religion that doesn&#8217;t fit the majority of the world&#8217;s religions at all.  Religions, rather, are visions and descriptions of the way things are, of who we are, of why we&#8217;re here, and of how we&#8217;re supposed to live.</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s a matter of how one does politics from the pulpit.  I&#8217;m more interested in keeping hatred out of the pulpit, which is where both Wright and preacher in the YouTube video fail miserably.</p>
<p>But it&#8217;d be impossible for Christians, for example, to entirely keep politics out of the pulpit. because the &#8220;Kingdom of God&#8221; language used by Jesus is manifestly political, as is the exposition of such themes in St. Paul.  It&#8217;s just politics upside down.  Instead of being a grab for power, Jesus preached the need to lay down power, to affect change through suffering love.  Which brings me back to keeping hatred out of the pulpits.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t usually hear conservatives get mad, or say that it&#8217;s &#8220;politics&#8221; and should be kept out of the pulpit, when the Baptist preacher condemns abortion (which he should do, of course).</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s maybe how I&#8217;d frame it: politics can&#8217;t be avoided from the pulpit, but lining up an entire religion with an entire political party is a Bad Thing.  Political issues can be discussed in a way that doesn&#8217;t sound like this: &#8220;Here is God&#8217;s opinion on this particular issue in U.S. Government, and if you disagree, you&#8217;re not a true believer.&#8221;  I don&#8217;t know if that suffices, and I probably still have a lot more thinking to do about it all.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 21:06:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rev. Wright uses broad strokes to paint &quot;rich, white people&quot; as his &quot;enemy.&quot;  Well, dammit, there is a decent chance that by his definition, I am a rich, white person.  He has declared me his enemy.

I find it impossible to discuss Rev. Wright without strong negative reaction to the possibility of having a President who for TWENTY YEARS listened to him.  And may possibly define me as his enemy also ...

While I know it&#039;s not the discussion of racism in American that you were hoping for, I&#039;d be interested to hear your thoughts on using the pulpit for politics.  I can&#039;t imagine God is very happy with either Rev. Wright OR your boyfriend, the Rev. Manning: http://youtube.com/watch?v=khuu-RhOBDU

I think this is one thing the LDS church has got down - keep politics out of the pulpit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rev. Wright uses broad strokes to paint &#8220;rich, white people&#8221; as his &#8220;enemy.&#8221;  Well, dammit, there is a decent chance that by his definition, I am a rich, white person.  He has declared me his enemy.</p>
<p>I find it impossible to discuss Rev. Wright without strong negative reaction to the possibility of having a President who for TWENTY YEARS listened to him.  And may possibly define me as his enemy also &#8230;</p>
<p>While I know it&#8217;s not the discussion of racism in American that you were hoping for, I&#8217;d be interested to hear your thoughts on using the pulpit for politics.  I can&#8217;t imagine God is very happy with either Rev. Wright OR your boyfriend, the Rev. Manning: <a href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=khuu-RhOBDU" rel="nofollow">http://youtube.com/watch?v=khuu-RhOBDU</a></p>
<p>I think this is one thing the LDS church has got down &#8211; keep politics out of the pulpit.</p>
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