Comments on: Ron Luce on the Future of Christianity in America http://perilousrealm.net/2006/10/09/ron-luce-on-the-future-of-christianity-in-america/ Looking for Rivendell in Rochester, NY Thu, 26 Aug 2010 12:01:59 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: internetmonk.com » Blog Archive » Jesus Has Left The Room: Pharisees, Zealots and Culture Warrior Religion http://perilousrealm.net/2006/10/09/ron-luce-on-the-future-of-christianity-in-america/comment-page-1/#comment-3602 internetmonk.com » Blog Archive » Jesus Has Left The Room: Pharisees, Zealots and Culture Warrior Religion Tue, 10 Apr 2007 19:10:45 +0000 http://www.restlessreformer.com/2006/10/09/ron-luce-on-the-future-of-christianity-in-america/#comment-3602 [...] UPDATE II: Six months ago, Restless Reformer and BHT fellow Travis Prinzi was on this story. [...] [...] UPDATE II: Six months ago, Restless Reformer and BHT fellow Travis Prinzi was on this story. [...]

]]> By: The Boar’s Head Tavern » Travis on the Luce http://perilousrealm.net/2006/10/09/ron-luce-on-the-future-of-christianity-in-america/comment-page-1/#comment-3601 The Boar’s Head Tavern » Travis on the Luce Tue, 10 Apr 2007 19:07:55 +0000 http://www.restlessreformer.com/2006/10/09/ron-luce-on-the-future-of-christianity-in-america/#comment-3601 [...] From six months ago. Prinzi ahead of the curve, as usual. Posted by: Joel Hunter @ 3:07 pm | Trackback | Permalink [...] [...] From six months ago. Prinzi ahead of the curve, as usual. Posted by: Joel Hunter @ 3:07 pm | Trackback | Permalink [...]

]]> By: the Foolish Sage http://perilousrealm.net/2006/10/09/ron-luce-on-the-future-of-christianity-in-america/comment-page-1/#comment-733 the Foolish Sage Sun, 29 Oct 2006 03:38:22 +0000 http://www.restlessreformer.com/2006/10/09/ron-luce-on-the-future-of-christianity-in-america/#comment-733 "...replacing one religion with another..." Reminded me of something we've been talking about in my ancient church history class. In the early church the rise of the veneration of martyrs and ascetics was, in part, an attempt to say "our holy men are better than your holy men." Same problem as today: making Christ's Church another religion competing in the marketplace of religions. Time to dust off my copy of Leithart's Against Christianity again. “…replacing one religion with another…”

Reminded me of something we’ve been talking about in my ancient church history class. In the early church the rise of the veneration of martyrs and ascetics was, in part, an attempt to say “our holy men are better than your holy men.” Same problem as today: making Christ’s Church another religion competing in the marketplace of religions. Time to dust off my copy of Leithart’s Against Christianity again.

]]> By: chris holdridge http://perilousrealm.net/2006/10/09/ron-luce-on-the-future-of-christianity-in-america/comment-page-1/#comment-674 chris holdridge Wed, 11 Oct 2006 13:36:33 +0000 http://www.restlessreformer.com/2006/10/09/ron-luce-on-the-future-of-christianity-in-america/#comment-674 Very scary. I find recently that I have less in common than ever with local "youth pastors." You can walk through any of their churches and see these big teenie bopper Christian girl band posters where the pre-teen stars are dressed like 80's vamps. Later that night you can go to youth group and hear a message on modesty (for the young ladies) and pure thought lives (for the young gentlemen). What a bunch of trash. I hate to be negative like that and I struggle to minister within a culture (secular) and subculture (Christian weenie) that both completely miss the mark. Yeah, Romans 8:1 is a good place to start; but it's the prize...the result of the gift of faith; a doctrine that we really don't do a good job teaching. Because, you know, if little Timmy is making out with his girlfriend while they listen to secular music, he might not be a Christian. And the degree to which he stops those behaviors will be in direct relation to how good of a Christian he is. Please! The thought lives of most "solid" Christian adults I know are so totally depraved, especially compared to the youth of our churches. Let's get over it and minister the gospel, for crying out loud. Very scary. I find recently that I have less in common than ever with local “youth pastors.” You can walk through any of their churches and see these big teenie bopper Christian girl band posters where the pre-teen stars are dressed like 80’s vamps. Later that night you can go to youth group and hear a message on modesty (for the young ladies) and pure thought lives (for the young gentlemen). What a bunch of trash. I hate to be negative like that and I struggle to minister within a culture (secular) and subculture (Christian weenie) that both completely miss the mark. Yeah, Romans 8:1 is a good place to start; but it’s the prize…the result of the gift of faith; a doctrine that we really don’t do a good job teaching. Because, you know, if little Timmy is making out with his girlfriend while they listen to secular music, he might not be a Christian. And the degree to which he stops those behaviors will be in direct relation to how good of a Christian he is. Please! The thought lives of most “solid” Christian adults I know are so totally depraved, especially compared to the youth of our churches. Let’s get over it and minister the gospel, for crying out loud.

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