Comments on: The Supremacy of the Lowly Christ http://perilousrealm.net/2006/09/08/the-supremacy-of-the-lowly-christ/ Looking for Rivendell in Rochester, NY Mon, 12 Mar 2012 15:07:16 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: ruth http://perilousrealm.net/2006/09/08/the-supremacy-of-the-lowly-christ/comment-page-1/#comment-559 ruth Fri, 22 Sep 2006 20:26:20 +0000 http://www.restlessreformer.com/2006/09/08/the-supremacy-of-the-lowly-christ/#comment-559 oh ok. I'm really observant :-P but I did notice some similarities. oh ok. I’m really observant :-P
but I did notice some similarities.

]]> By: Travis Prinzi http://perilousrealm.net/2006/09/08/the-supremacy-of-the-lowly-christ/comment-page-1/#comment-557 Travis Prinzi Fri, 22 Sep 2006 14:24:37 +0000 http://www.restlessreformer.com/2006/09/08/the-supremacy-of-the-lowly-christ/#comment-557 Ruth, no, I gave this at UofR IVCF just a few weeks ago, at their opening night. When I spoke there in '05, it was on evangelism (and actually, I think that was Spring '06). I did speak at RIT's IVCF in '05 (two Friday nights in a row). Ruth, no, I gave this at UofR IVCF just a few weeks ago, at their opening night. When I spoke there in ‘05, it was on evangelism (and actually, I think that was Spring ‘06). I did speak at RIT’s IVCF in ‘05 (two Friday nights in a row).

]]> By: ruth http://perilousrealm.net/2006/09/08/the-supremacy-of-the-lowly-christ/comment-page-1/#comment-556 ruth Fri, 22 Sep 2006 14:09:50 +0000 http://www.restlessreformer.com/2006/09/08/the-supremacy-of-the-lowly-christ/#comment-556 Travis, wasn't this sermon 2005? I haven't yet seen you this year at IV, and was wondering if you're going to be coming to speak anytime soon, it was great to hear you preach last year and I hope you come again. Travis, wasn’t this sermon 2005? I haven’t yet seen you this year at IV, and was wondering if you’re going to be coming to speak anytime soon, it was great to hear you preach last year and I hope you come again.

]]> By: Travis Prinzi http://perilousrealm.net/2006/09/08/the-supremacy-of-the-lowly-christ/comment-page-1/#comment-547 Travis Prinzi Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:01:04 +0000 http://www.restlessreformer.com/2006/09/08/the-supremacy-of-the-lowly-christ/#comment-547 Ben, excellent insights, and right on the mark. Are you familiar with Flannery O'Conner? Her Christian short stories fit the same bill. They tell of "dark grace," and that's why modern Christians don't like them and prefer drivel like "Left Behind." You familiar with Derek Webb? Lots of the same themes in what he writes/says. Get his "House Show" CD (and, of course, get the free one linked on my sidebar). Ben, excellent insights, and right on the mark. Are you familiar with Flannery O’Conner? Her Christian short stories fit the same bill. They tell of “dark grace,” and that’s why modern Christians don’t like them and prefer drivel like “Left Behind.”

You familiar with Derek Webb? Lots of the same themes in what he writes/says. Get his “House Show” CD (and, of course, get the free one linked on my sidebar).

]]> By: Ben http://perilousrealm.net/2006/09/08/the-supremacy-of-the-lowly-christ/comment-page-1/#comment-546 Ben Thu, 14 Sep 2006 13:39:39 +0000 http://www.restlessreformer.com/2006/09/08/the-supremacy-of-the-lowly-christ/#comment-546 Travis, Great message, thanks for posting it. Do you think that sometimes we (Christians) feel that treating the bible as a "sort of medicine cabinet for spiritual growth" is a safe ground for us? Almost like it's something everyone agrees on, advice from the bible? One thing I notice as a musician is how moralism affects art and music. Instead of the bloody, dark, dramatic paintings of Rembrandt, we have Precious Moments and Thomas Kinkaid. Instead of the powerful oratorios, hymns, and rich masses, we have camp sing-a-longs, showy guitar solos, and harmonically cheap "Jesus is my girlfriend" songs. (I could demonstrate why much of this music is as musically shallow as they are theologically problematic.) It seems to me that the painful, graphic images of Jesus and the cross, our own suffering and hard faith, portrayed artistically or theologically, doesn't always fit into the safe, G-rated Christian culture. My uncle is a wine aficionado and once told me, "The best wine is never the wine that wins the tasting competition. It is always the wine that offends the least number of people." It can feel like that in church, too--we don't engage the graphic, experimental, or controversial. We don’t want to--we want to feel comfortable (I'm preaching to myself here). There are times even when the Gospel itself is something I want to hear just to make me comfortable, and I won't let it challenge me. When I really listen to and grasp Handel's Messiah or Beethoven's 9th, I feel small and weak, but filled with awe and beauty. It is the same, but even more powerful, when I look to my untamable, radical, and suffering savior Jesus Christ. Ben Travis,

Great message, thanks for posting it. Do you think that sometimes we (Christians) feel that treating the bible as a “sort of medicine cabinet for spiritual growth” is a safe ground for us? Almost like it’s something everyone agrees on, advice from the bible? One thing I notice as a musician is how moralism affects art and music. Instead of the bloody, dark, dramatic paintings of Rembrandt, we have Precious Moments and Thomas Kinkaid. Instead of the powerful oratorios, hymns, and rich masses, we have camp sing-a-longs, showy guitar solos, and harmonically cheap “Jesus is my girlfriend” songs. (I could demonstrate why much of this music is as musically shallow as they are theologically problematic.) It seems to me that the painful, graphic images of Jesus and the cross, our own suffering and hard faith, portrayed artistically or theologically, doesn’t always fit into the safe, G-rated Christian culture. My uncle is a wine aficionado and once told me, “The best wine is never the wine that wins the tasting competition. It is always the wine that offends the least number of people.” It can feel like that in church, too–we don’t engage the graphic, experimental, or controversial. We don’t want to–we want to feel comfortable (I’m preaching to myself here). There are times even when the Gospel itself is something I want to hear just to make me comfortable, and I won’t let it challenge me. When I really listen to and grasp Handel’s Messiah or Beethoven’s 9th, I feel small and weak, but filled with awe and beauty. It is the same, but even more powerful, when I look to my untamable, radical, and suffering savior Jesus Christ.

Ben

]]> By: Joel Celso http://perilousrealm.net/2006/09/08/the-supremacy-of-the-lowly-christ/comment-page-1/#comment-540 Joel Celso Sat, 09 Sep 2006 22:27:56 +0000 http://www.restlessreformer.com/2006/09/08/the-supremacy-of-the-lowly-christ/#comment-540 Good stuff!! Good stuff!!

]]> By: iMonk http://perilousrealm.net/2006/09/08/the-supremacy-of-the-lowly-christ/comment-page-1/#comment-539 iMonk Sat, 09 Sep 2006 16:39:47 +0000 http://www.restlessreformer.com/2006/09/08/the-supremacy-of-the-lowly-christ/#comment-539 Excellent. Really superb. Except for...well...you know. Excellent. Really superb.

Except for…well…you know.

]]> By: Allison http://perilousrealm.net/2006/09/08/the-supremacy-of-the-lowly-christ/comment-page-1/#comment-538 Allison Sat, 09 Sep 2006 00:45:20 +0000 http://www.restlessreformer.com/2006/09/08/the-supremacy-of-the-lowly-christ/#comment-538 Wow, Travis. That's a FANTASTIC opening talk. I wish I had heard that when I was in InterVarsity in college...it took me years to piece that together. You did a beautiful job with the topic-- "supremacy of Christ." And I even learned a few new things...it was edifying to more than just the group that heard it originally. Thanks for posting it! Do you know how the following discussion went? Did you get any feedback? Wow, Travis. That’s a FANTASTIC opening talk. I wish I had heard that when I was in InterVarsity in college…it took me years to piece that together. You did a beautiful job with the topic– “supremacy of Christ.” And I even learned a few new things…it was edifying to more than just the group that heard it originally. Thanks for posting it! Do you know how the following discussion went? Did you get any feedback?

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